| 2008/08/09 13:22, Elestir: |  | Manandoun: *gig* I don't know why i'm trying as on Mars is different logic.
You are trying, because you still have troubles accepting the loss (your giggling won't mask it), which was always your problem, and it surprises me that over the years you didn't improve at it at all. The fact that you lost is just as true on Earth as on Mars, therefore talking about Mars won't help you here... No logic will change that, ever...
Manandoun: I red only half of your comment Praios, its too much blablabing for me.
On contrary to you, I read all your comments, because I prefer dialogs and argumentation over monologs and insults/moralization.
Manandoun: If there is balrog group, i attack it always, or atleast try...
Yes, and you are very readable in respect to this.
Manandoun: ...No matter numbers.
I will clarify this. You simply try to get as much as possible from both online and offline ppl, and then come for the group of 10 whether you have 6 or 20, yes. If you have 6, you will simply try to at least sabotage Balrog. If you have stronger group, you will go for direct encounter (which was this case). You sure have right for this and it's your style to always play with as big group as possible. But don't picture yourself as some hero who always fights outnumbered, that is rarely the case.
Manandoun: I expected we loose, i told that to my group before, but it was only way how to get fight for us, as your group would fight only if you had all the advantages and our group wanted to fight.
Only way for you to get a fight inside oakdoor was to make us think we have a chance to win. And since you barely arrived to Moria and we had good reconnaissance, we thought that if we get ready for fight asap, we can actually get a fight with a chance to win. Some ppl were AFK at that time though and therefore it wasn't sure we will go for it. After some 2 minutes of sancs being up, it happened that I think nobody was AFK anymore so we went for it. I am speaking for myself here, and I didn't know the exact numbers of your group. So for us (or at least for me) it was also a little bit risky business. There was no such plan as to keep oakdoor open, so we basically gave up of that advantage when we let your bn to block (or at least that advantage got minimized).
When you say you expected to lose, I can say that before it began, I expected any kind of result and didn't really know how things will end. After first seconds I've almost died and I actually expected a loss for a moment, but still kept the cool nerves and tried to do my job, which your group has luckily (for us) let me do.
I think that nothing was clear from the beginning as you are trying to picture it. Your ego just can't handle the truth here. You prefer to see yourself as a hero dying to overwhelming power of the enemy group rather than as a loser in a more or less fair fight. It's understandable, but it's childish.
Manandoun: Targeting for ourside had sence after 2 ticks when sancts started to drop. Killing anyone before would be a) pure luck b) completly fuckup by pukes. After that there definetly could be done better when it comes to targeting.
Targetting clerics had sense from the beginning. But you let us recite, sanc, and blind, without having cure blinder (yet at least one of your blinded trolls got cured by purple, how I noticed later from the log). When I was bad like 10 seconds after the beginning of the fight, there was only one troll chasing me preventing me to heal up. Had there be 2-3, I might have died there and the outcome of the whole fight would probably be way different. You may argue it was my mistake I got bad in first place. Maybe it was (I ate bash while trying to blind), but you should know that to win, you have to use every mistake of your enemy. If you can't do that, you are doing mistake yourself.
Manandoun: You shouldn't even try to talk about this case, couse you would never enter that place without key and that goes for most of your group, so your opinions are worthless and biased.
With the group you had, I would surely enter as well. Especially in situation in which you were. Freshly killed (hence almost naked), you had like nothing to lose and everything to gain. Your group had also very little to lose as it was mostly trolls and few trolls play the way you do (hoarding scrolls, etc.). Under such circumstances I can't classify this as a heroic act. It's perfectly rational risk and not going for it would simply be idiotic. Even if the chance of your group to win was 20%, it was quite worth it, considering how much you could have gained from victory and how little you could have lost (not counting your offended pride). Yet I think the chance for your win was higher than 20%.
Manandoun: When i say you had all advantages and that sancted balrog group is extremly powerful and that your group are clueless newbies and expers, that you won means only one thing: that your group was extremly powerful, atlhough you are clueless newbies and although you fucked up, its still simply too powerful. Your consequences are simply wrong.
Well, maybe Azazello will fall for this, but that's it. Sure balrog groups are powerful, but so was your group. It's quite funny how you overrate our power and underrate yours. As some obviously more clueful troll in your group noted, without sanc you would have just run over us. And during the fight many sancs dropped. Don't argue that we could have sanced right before fight... What happened is relevant, not what could have happened. (If we waited for resanc, you could have got more organized and things could go much worse actually, but we can only speculate about this, so let's don't.)
To sum it up, you are basically saying:
If I win, it's because I am good and the opponent is clueless. If I lose, it's because of me being good and the opponent being clueless, but I was in clear HUUUUGE disadvantage. Don't you see how full of pride statements like that are? It's actually better to not speak like that even if it was the case. Let others make their own picture about it. How the wise proverb says: Pride precedes a fall.
Manandoun: Scrolls. Haha. I would never believe Praios of Rilmamir about contains of their sables, the worst mumers when it comes to this. Praios told me week ago or so that Rilmamir has 40 heal scrolls? :) You definetly could recite much more and save much more of your group and not get this fight even this close.
I can only speak for myself and so I did. I don't remember about 40 scrolls on Rilmamir, but that's question for him more than for me. And even if he said that and I told you after, Rilmamir can't always be trusted, as you surely know. So Rilmamir, care to bring light into this? How many heal scrolls did you have and how many of them did you use?
Manandoun: Enough of wasting my precious time on pointless discusions with people from Mars.
Almost sounds like: 'I am done with you twits, use your worthless time to read all my comments, and don't dare to respond, coz my time is too precious to deal with you scum. :-)'
I also value my time, but arguing with you is just so funny that I can't really skip the opportunity. :-)
Devastator: A point to Luke! Now bring in a reply Elestir!
So what's the score now, Deva? :-)
And what's more important, what can we got for these points? |
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