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2010/03/04 23:18, Ava:     Haha zorts. I couldn't help it but laugh at your comment. Why on earth would anyone think shit? If you are berserker let it be, everyone got different playstyle. But charging tons with quakes then dying horrible doesnt make you any good at all, berserk you say. haha, it only punctuates how fucking retarded you are and shows your incapability of learning from your mistakes. Do you mean wimps that doesnt follow you into an obvious killing trap? everyone that doesnt die berserk way as you say, is perma wimp and storeporting:P funny how you say that. And as manson said, is it honorable at all?

2010/03/05 08:23, Djinn: Rated: Good  What the hell is wrong with MUME! In this age of xp and levels, I would think the berserkers would be praised and love for their playstyle, not flamed because they're stupid. If some dude wants to die over and over to my char, I'm sure as hell not going to flame him for it. I'd write him a mumemail thanking him, if I still could!

2010/03/05 09:00, Ortansia: edited 2x  Rated: Superb  I like when people criticizing troll players ! *peer* Manson @Ava Actually I believe that people who only fight when they are 100% sure to win is kinda wimpy and boring Play carefully from time to time is ok , but do it all the time!! is another story . I consider myself berserk , I don't mind other people play differently than me ,and I don't expect pukes take more risk than me coz all in all they have more to lose than me Anyway I like grouping with berserker like me , because grouping with people who have different playstyle always end up bad :p. That is, at the end, they will blame me for that stupid death I led them to. That's to say ,Playing berserk is like gambling , If you win you will look brave and if you lose. You will look stupid :p Edit: Nice log Btw :)

2010/03/05 11:57, Antti: Rated: Average  heh, judging people based on their general playing style (careful <> berserk) is only a tad more logical than judging them based on their music taste.

2010/03/05 13:51, Aishya:     i like it.. keep 'em coming

2010/03/05 14:24, Ava:   edited 1x    You are a real troll player ortansia.....

2010/03/05 14:50, Wart:     I like Ortansia too

2010/03/05 15:42, Manson:     Hey, I think it's great there's a few players who love to give exp away on a daily basis and they are having great fun while they are at it! By all means, go Tiger! I'll see you in OW then??

2010/03/05 19:18, Smakr:     And i think its not so great that theres much more of THOSE KIND of players who abuse the people who are here to have fun and actually PK by just trapping em whenever and whereever, just to get some numbers added to their VIRTUAL lines of experience. I mean, people who play like Naralon are just sad and pathetic excuse for life, if they reach #1 warlord, its like a therapy for them 'Hey look, i can atleast do SOMETHING good, this should make up for me being a tool irl'. People take this crap too seriously, if you are really GOOD at this game, you would be playing like Zubr or Malus, knowing that eq comes and goes but atleast you dont waste countless hours of your life just by waiting to trap someone, then gain few items that you are so afraid of losing that you wouldnt leave anywhere without 2 storeports, sanc and 3 rocks. I hope atleast anyone gets the point of what Zorts/Ortansia was trying to say. And heres a protip for you Manson: The more you trap, the more time it takes for you to actually learn to PK, the more you take challenging fights, the more you improve and eventually it results in much higher loots/exp than from some boring 10v2 trap;)

2010/03/05 19:36, Belamir: Rated: Average  As long as a person gets enjoyment from their playstyle, I can't imagine correcting them. This is a game - it serves no purpose other than to provide amusement. It's the people that take things so seriously as to hold real grudges against other players that worry me. They're taking something too seriously. You're taking something too seriously, Smakr.

2010/03/05 21:21, Smakr:     There's no grudges, just strong disliking in someone's behavior. I dislike people who take credits for the things they don't deserve and i dislike people who consider themselves better than they really are, with or without acknowledging it. If someone would act the same way irl, i would dislike them as well, there's hardly any difference. Altho, of course i would never approach someone with a prejudice due of what they have done/said ingame or talked on forums, that would be stupid, because i actually do realize that i'm also not the best character in the book when it comes to internet ethics, while i'm completely different irl. Long story short, no real grudges, just e-dislike:P

2010/03/06 00:20, Razoor: Rated: Poor  I'm really fascinated by the contrast of your posts Snakr. In some of them you come off as about as ignorant and rude as you were 5 years ago, and in others you come off as really thoughtful and provide some good insights and comments (like the e-dislike, nice term). It's even more interesting when you put this in relation to your in-game behaviour which on occasion was exremely retarded (cheating) and at other times showed very skillful playing. What's up with this? Dissociative identify disorder or just heavy moodswings before breakfast?? :)

2010/03/06 10:27, Smakr:   edited 2x    I have a bipolar disorder, i'm the same irl, sometimes i just hate everyone and everything, without any reason. And about the cheating part... i used to have a depressive bipolarity, which meant that from time to time, when something happened, i sulked into a deep depression for a few hours, so when i died in MUME for example, my brain kinda snapped and i started viewing things from a completely different point of angle, i felt that it's all hopeless, i can never be good at this game etc. So i just wanted to 'end' everything and do something bad or well, its really hard to explain:P But it was in the past, now my bipolarity just consists of heavy moodswings, between anger, sadness, 'normality' and ecstasy. Edit: it's really cool how the bipolarity also affects every game i play, i still have a bit of the depressive part left, so for an example, if i'd die once in mume, i'd feel so given up that i would end up spamdying like atleast 10 times more, totally not caring what i do, sometimes screwing up chars so badly during the process. Then after a while i'm like 'omg why i had to do that??'. It's same in many games, like ModernWarfare2, Heroes of Newerth etc. I play real good for a while, get nice stats etc. then something goes wrong and i just snap, ruining my stats, account, match etc. Hate this thing:/

2010/03/06 12:02, Joacim:   Rated: Superb  Playing MW2 on pc?

2010/03/06 13:29, Smakr:     Cant afford xbox:P

2010/03/06 13:34, Joacim:   Rated: Superb  Hehe

2010/03/06 16:55, Marillion:   Razoor: 'Not that most of you could even get remotely close to a sober girl anyway... ;)' Do I need to point out how pathetic that sounds?:) Even if you had a half-humouristic tone to it.

2010/03/06 19:08, Manson:     *sniffs and looks down at shoe to see if I just stepped in something* Yeah, depression makes it ok to drag the game down into the mud for years, causing people to quit/resign because they got tired of babysitting/putting up with him. It makes the plethora of crap he pulled for years ok, doesn't it? Samesiding people, gacing them, then lying about. Stealing peoples accounts, mobbing/ruining their chars, giving their eq away... All because poor little Smakr is hurting inside! Awwwww... Now he has advice about not taking the game too seriously and *honor*. Pro-tip to Smakr: Noone should believe any of the crap that spews from the shit hole of a *proven* liar and a guy who absolutely *relished* causing the game and mngt/players trouble. You'll get no pity from me! You deserve everything you got coming to you!

2010/03/06 20:36, Throck:     Gfg guys .... no wonder people are quitting this game.

2010/03/06 21:10, Smakr:     Hah, Manson, the least i would want/expect would be pity:D Especially from a dimwit like you, i was just explaining my behavior as it seems that some people still didnt got it:P And i NEVER lied about not cheating,samesiding people, hell, unlike you, i have never even hid my identity when it comes to bitching someone. If you are a man, you admit what you did and you say it to people's face not go around anonymous trying to play a smartass. And fyi, i only samesided idiots like you, the 'cheating' for real benefits was dropped long ago around 2004, the only cheating i have done recently was playing accounts that weren't mine, eg. pZanjas etc:P

2010/03/07 14:31, Razoor: Rated: Poor  Yes Marillion, you may have had to point that out. Cause with the half-humoristic tone in it, as you correctly noticed, I do not see how it sounds pathetic at all :) Manson, I think that actually sounds plausible. If he has a bipolar disorder that'd explain a lot of things related to his behaviour, and I think you come off as quite rude by mocking that. Not saying I necessarily believe one thing or another, but it offers an interesting explanation at least. Since I'm very interested in the psychology of the Internet (may, hopefully, end up to be my rl-work for the coming 3 years), this is really fascinating to me. Provided that what you say is true, and that you're not really just a compulsive liar ;), it poses a very good question of how a game can interact with different mental disorders. Some studies even claim that they've found links of causality between mental disorders and Internet use. Lots of food for thought here, cool!

2010/03/08 11:14, Djinn: Rated: Good  Right. How about we just called him a difficult teenager, with a poor education and lack of morals? Why does everything have to be a 'condition'? Every teenager who feels he needs to rebel is excused now, because he or she has some kind of condition. A little discipline would go a long way here. The only thing Smakr here really needs, and has ever needed, is attention. As soon as he feels he's not in the spotlight anymore, he will try to do something that draws attention to him. It has absolutely nothing to do with any disorder. It was obvious in the past, and it's a little less obvious now, because this need has diminished, as he got older. It's very common for teenagers, and it's not a brain disorder. Feel free to investigate the issue as something interesting though, and perhaps even make money out of it. We all try to make money one way or another. And seriously, you never lied about cheating? You never hid your identity? The only time when you revealed yourself was when you could no longer hide the issue, and when you craved for attention. The only disorder you possibly have here is schizophrenia, which is common for people playing RPGs. I'm not attacking you Smakr, I'm beyond caring, but get a little in touch with reality, please.

2010/03/08 19:08, Razoor: Rated: Poor  Schizophrenic? Under what classification? And where is the literature showing a link between schizophrenia and RPG's? I'd really like to read it. Trying to collect this kind of literature but so far I haven't come across any that ties RPG's to schizophrenics specifically.

2010/03/09 08:42, Djinn: Rated: Good  Dude, make your own money :p. Here's a start for your 'Smakr testcase': [submitted link]

2010/03/09 10:48, Smakr:   edited 1x    You said there's a link between RPGS and schizophrenia, reading the article, it's all about bipolar disorder and schizophrenia, well, i can say that i'm not schizophrenic afterall. And Jim agrees, so nothing wrong with us, wrong symptom Djinn. Edit: And there's something more i'd like to add, this time without the humorous tone. Basically, i studied for a couple of years just to be able to analyze myself psychologically, to understand my problems and live with 'em. I read so many crap about various disorders, that the article of what Djinn posted doesn't really surprise me, as it is totally wrong and categorizing. There is nothing and i mean NOTHING incommon between schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. There's just 'doctors' who think it may be linked because both share the similar behaviors. There's no link between then, both disorders have separate causes and even if you get unlucky to inherit them both, then they would still not be somehow 'linked'. If you get into a another moodswing then i'm sure your second 'me' would be affected just the same.

2010/03/09 12:53, Razoor: Rated: Poor  Why do you keep talking about money? What does money have to do with anything and where was it mentioned at all? Anyway, first of all Snakr is right, that article has nothing to do with a link between RPG players and schizophrenia. However, it HAS been empirically proven that mental disorders and exceeding Internet use correlate. This says nothing abour RPG's however. Please show me some kind of (proper) evidence to back up those claims. Secondly, jesus fucking christ what kind of bs article is that? You're linking me a BLOG, with NO references in it what so ever. And you expect me to take that as fact? :):):) It being from www.schizophrenia.com gives it no legitimacy what so ever, I'd like to see some articles published in major journals that support such linkage or I'm gonna believe nothing of it. In fact, this looks like one of those people who are trying to put their mental disorder off as a disease, providing an excuse for their state. This is not exactly unheard of, have you ever studied psychiatric literature at all? I mean all major literature in this field states that almost all known mental disorders included in the DSM-IV show overlapping symptoms (at least that blog got that right), that's why it takes like 10 years and tons of experience before you can be a practicing psychiatrist, and another 10 before you're any good. You identify the disorders based on your own experience and knowledge, not by hardchecking a list of symptoms. By only looking at specific symptoms you'll never get further than a very preliminary diagnosis. One of the most common symptoms of Schizophrenia is a loss of touch with reality. However, it can also include hallucinations, faulty sense perceptions and disorganized speech. A bipolar disorder has none of this, and this is why you never EVER label someone with a mental disorder based on PART of the symptoms. In fact, DSM-IV specifically states how many of the symptoms have to be present for a patient to be labeled with a specific diagnosis (and often this is not even enough). Now, a bipolar disorder is a MOOD disorder, it has nothing of either hallucinations, flawed sense perception of disorganized speech. On the other hand, in the manic period bipolar individuals tend to come off as fucking brilliant (though somewhat delusional, this is however not comparable to the loss of touch with reality present in a schizophrenia or a psychosis). I think one of the common misconceptions here is that, for example depression often co-exists with schizophrenia, and could be considered as 'quite similar' to a manic-depressive bipolar disorder when the bipolar individual is in the depressive state. This does, however, not at all allow for someone to judge a bipolar patient as having schizophrenia. You can hate on Snakr all you like, but you really need to read up on this subject before you go on throwing out bs again, just makes you seem ignorant.

2010/03/09 13:03, Zinc:   Damn you can write.

2010/03/09 13:16, Djinn: Rated: Good  It doesn't make me seem ignorant in anyone else's mind but your own, Razoor. Nobody else cares enough to go on a 50-line tantrum but you. I am in no position to make a medical diagnosis, I'm not a doctor, nor did I ever claim to be. I will not refute your arguments, as I don't have the time nor willpower to invest in something so incredibly insignificant. All I said was many people get diagnosed with something that is not a disorder at all, and could be solved with better education instead. They then proceed to use this 'diagnosed' disease as excuse for their actions, something I accused Smakr for. Feel free to talk about conditions for the next 5 days though, I'm sure you can keep yourself entertained for a while.

2010/03/09 13:38, Razoor: Rated: Poor  Now if you just would have said that, I may have agreed. Instead you tried to make factual claims, that's what I went off on. And yes, I find this highly entertaining. It does, after all, concern one of my greater interests in life. I'd be happy to go off on more tantrums :) <3 Zinc

2010/03/09 13:46, Djinn: Rated: Good  Hoo jesus, get off your high horse. You have to stop assuming that you know what people think. Do you know what I did that caused you to go on a tantrum? I typed 'schizophrenia rpg' in google (or something similar, I can't reproduce the link I copypasted), and copied one of the links here. 3 second total. I'm sorry I don't share your enthousiasm on the topic to make long elaborate posts where I try to make sure that every letter in every word I write can be linked to a scientific article, approved by a board or committee. I am very guilty on blurting out very unbased personal emotions from time to time.

2010/03/09 22:45, Tach: edited 1x  Rated: Good  Hoho, this is great reading! (the comments) edit: ok yeah, you have to be high to read razoors little essay there...

2010/03/10 02:44, Britney:   Actually you don't need to be 'high' to read writings from p(Razoor).

2010/03/10 22:55, Smakr:     It amazes me of how passionate pRazoor is about the human psychology, i was really enthusiastic as well, when i first started the studying and self-analyzing. Now i'm a bit less motivated to continue because i already realized what kind of a fcked up person i am and i'm pretty sure that the fact that i know about my problems won't solve them for me. But what it has given me is a bit of more understanding of people and the reasons behind their acts, which is a great thing as it actually makes you more open-minded and far more successful in the current social structure. Not to mention that it removes all the small-minded thoughts that one average joe would trouble themselves with. So i hardly agree with people who are bashing pRazoor because he just tries to explain things from a less biased position. And i'm not standing up for him just because it may look to you as he's 'defending' my behavior, because i'm pretty sure i have made it clear for many times of how i don't really give a crap of how much you people hate me.

2010/03/12 12:40, Devastator:   Gee Djinn get a grip. You're the person on a high horse here (and not only here). I guess I am just as interested in psychology and related subjects as Razoor, having had a girlfriend with Syndrom of Asperger and depression only deepened my understanding. Relates to a fast-track course in advanced communication skills, hahaha! So thanks Razoor for the explanation, learned something about two symptomps and their relationships. Like autism in general, these symptomps / conditions can be found among many people, in various intensity and variations.

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