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(1392 hits. Posted 2018/04/09)
# cW HP:Fine Mana:Warm>e
The Courtyard
A graceful and slender tree grows here.
An elven guard is wandering here, keeping the peace.
Exits: north, east, south, west.

*# cW HP:Fine Mana:Warm>
Guards' Office
An elven guard is standing here at his post.
An elven guard is standing here at his post.
A secretary is sitting at the desk.
Glorfindel the chief of the Guardians of Rivendell is standing here (glowing).
Exits: [north], [east], south, west.

*# cW HP:Fine Mana:Warm>emote has 190/190 hit, 128/131 mana, and 107/107 moves. nimmeth
Ok.

*# cW HP:Fine Mana:Warm>
Nimmeth has arrived from the west.
Marmite has arrived from the west.
Mormeril has arrived from the west.
A trained horse has arrived from the west.

*# cW HP:Fine Mana:Warm>
An elven guard says 'It has been reported that "Nimmeth attacked Aeldae". You're under arrest, Nimmeth. Follow me and you'll be fairly judged.'

*# cW HP:Fine Mana:Warm>
Nimmeth leaves south.
Marmite leaves south.
Mormeril leaves south.
A trained horse leaves south.

*# cW HP:Fine Mana:Warm>report nimmeth
Write your Reports.
Type %e on an empty line to save and exit, %q to abandon and %h for help.
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: w
: 
: 
Nimmeth has arrived from the south.
Marmite has arrived from the south.
Mormeril has arrived from the south.
A trained horse has arrived from the south.
Nimmeth begins some strange incantations...
Nimmeth utters the words 'burning hands'
Message abandoned.
Nimmeth burns you.
Nimmeth lightly pounds your left foot and tickles it.

*# cW HP:Fine Mana:Warm Nimmeth:Fine>
Glorfindel sighs loudly.
Glorfindel joins your fight.
Glorfindel slashes Nimmeth's left leg extremely hard and shatters it.

*# cW HP:Fine Mana:Warm Nimmeth:Fine>%e
Arglebargle, glop-glyf!?!
Nimmeth panics, and attempts to flee.
Nimmeth leaves west.

*# cW HP:Fine Mana:Warm>
Mormeril begins some strange incantations...

*# cW HP:Fine Mana:Warm>
Mormeril utters the words 'burning hands'
Mormeril burns you.
Mormeril barely stabs your right leg and tickles it.

*# cW HP:Fine Mana:Warm Mormeril:Healthy>
Mormeril begins some strange incantations...

*# cW HP:Fine Mana:Warm Mormeril:Healthy>w
No way! You are fighting for your life!

*# cW HP:Fine Mana:Warm Mormeril:Healthy>f

Mormeril utters the words 'burning hands'
Mormeril burns you.

*# cW HP:Fine Mana:Warm Mormeril:Healthy>Mormeril begins some strange incantations...
You flee head over heels.
You flee west.
The Courtyard
A graceful and slender tree grows here.
Nimmeth the Noldo is standing here.
Exits: north, east, south, west.

*# cW HP:Fine Mana:Warm>w
The Fountain Square
A graceful and slender tree grows here.
A large fountain, made from grey stone, pours water from its centre.
Thelleithian the Half-Elf is standing here.
A great dark-grey horse stamps restively.
Exits: north, east, south, west.

*# cW HP:Fine Mana:Warm>w
The Courtyard
A graceful and slender tree grows here.
Exits: north, east, south, west.

*# cW HP:Fine Mana:Warm>s
The Courtyard
A graceful and slender tree grows here.
Exits: north, east, south, west.

*# cW HP:Fine Mana:Warm>s
The General Store
An elven grocer is standing here, quietly humming to herself.
Exits: north.

*# cW HP:Fine Mana:Warm>m
           Map of Nearby Zones
      -----------------------------
     |                         :*  |
     |                         :*  |
     |                 ^ ^Z^O  ::  |
     |           W   ~*~^^^^^::a   |
     |:         ****:*~      ::A   |
     |:~:::::=:~***~X:*      aa::**|
     |            ::         a     |
     |            ::         a     |
     |            ~:        :a     |
     |            *         aa     |
     |            ~        :a:?    |
     |            ^        aa ?    |
     |           ~^^^    **a  ??N? |
     |          *^MM^* **C*:       |
     |:%::    ~~~   ^:*:::*a       |
      -----------------------------

*# cW HP:Fine Mana:Warm>w
Alas, you cannot go that way...

*# cW HP:Fine Mana:Warm>
The deepening gloom announces another sunset outside.

*# cW HP:Fine Mana:Warm>m
           Map of Nearby Zones
      -----------------------------
     |                         :*  |
     |                         :*  |
     |                 ^ ^Z^O  ::  |
     |           W   ~*~^^^^^::a   |
     |:         ****:*~      ::A   |
     |:~:::::=:~***~X:*      aa::**|
     |            ::         a     |
     |            ::         a     |
     |            ~:        :a     |
     |            *         aa     |
     |            ~        :a:?    |
     |            ^        aa ?    |
     |           ~^^^    **a  ??N? |
     |          *^MM^* **C*:       |
     |:%::    ~~~   ^:*:::*a       |
      -----------------------------

*# cW HP:Fine Mana:Warm>w
Alas, you cannot go that way...

*# cW HP:Fine Mana:Warm>
An elven grocer closes her shop.

*# cW HP:Fine Mana:Warm>whe
Players in your zone
--------------------
Nimmeth              - The Courtyard
Marmite              - The Courtyard
Aeldae               - The General Store
Mormeril             - The Courtyard

*# cW HP:Fine Mana:Warm>
Nimmeth has arrived from the north.
Marmite has arrived from the north.
Mormeril has arrived from the north.
A trained horse has arrived from the north.

*# cW HP:Fine Mana:Warm>
Nimmeth begins some strange incantations...

*# cW HP:Fine Mana:Warm>
Nimmeth utters the words 'burning hands'
Nimmeth burns you.

*# cW HP:Fine Mana:Warm Nimmeth:Fine>
Marmite joins Nimmeth's fight.
Marmite barely cleaves your right hand and tickles it.

*# cW HP:Hurt Mana:Warm Nimmeth:Fine>
Nimmeth begins some strange incantations...

*# cW HP:Hurt Mana:Warm Nimmeth:Fine>north
No way! You are fighting for your life!

*# cW HP:Hurt Mana:Warm Nimmeth:Fine>
Mormeril utters the words 'burning hands'
Mormeril burns you.
Nimmeth utters the words 'burning hands'
Nimmeth burns you.

*# cW HP:Hurt Mana:Warm Nimmeth:Fine>
Nimmeth begins some strange incantations...

*# cW HP:Hurt Mana:Warm Nimmeth:Fine>
Mormeril utters the words 'burning hands'
Mormeril burns you.

*# cW HP:Hurt Mana:Warm Nimmeth:Fine>north
No way! You are fighting for your life!

*# cW HP:Hurt Mana:Warm Nimmeth:Fine>
Mormeril utters the words 'burning hands'
Mormeril burns you.
Nimmeth utters the words 'burning hands'
Nimmeth burns you.

*# cW HP:Hurt Mana:Warm Nimmeth:Fine>
Nimmeth begins some strange incantations...

*# cW HP:Hurt Mana:Warm Nimmeth:Fine>
Mormeril utters the words 'burning hands'
You feel less protected.
WARNING: ARMOUR IS OFF!
Mormeril burns you.

*# cW HP:Hurt Mana:Warm Nimmeth:Fine>flee

Nimmeth utters the words 'burning hands'
Nimmeth burns you.

*# cW HP:Wounded Mana:Warm Nimmeth:Fine>
*# cW HP:Wounded Mana:Warm Nimmeth:Fine>
Marmite sends you sprawling with a powerful bash.

*# cW HP:Wounded Mana:Warm Nimmeth:Fine>
Mormeril utters the words 'burning hands'
Mormeril burns you.
Nimmeth pounds your body hard and shatters it.
You feel a sharp pain there!
You are wracked with overwhelming PAIN!

*# cW HP:Bad Mana:Warm Nimmeth:Fine>
Marmite cleaves your left hand extremely hard and shatters it.
You feel a sharp pain there!
You are wracked with overwhelming PAIN!
You try to flee, but cannot!

*# cW HP:Awful Mana:Warm Nimmeth:Fine>
Mormeril utters the words 'burning hands'
Mormeril burns you.
You are incapacitated and will slowly die, if not aided.

o# cW HP:Dying Mana:Warm Nimmeth:Fine>

You are dead! Sorry...


 Very nice, I would like to see this log in the 'notables' section! 

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2018/04/23 03:12, Mormeril:   
1. None of what you posted so far is illegal.
2. Elestir doesn't use PowTTY, and I doubt he ever would. It hasn't been maintained in 15-20 years, and there are long standing bugs in it.
3. Some of the actions you posted look to me like they could possibly be vulnerable to injection attacks, not to mention the tracking subs don't have proper names. As meticulous as Elestir is, I doubt he would be walking around with unsecured scripts, or naming his actions random numeric values.
After doing a google search for some of those door actions and finding matches on GitHub, I'm going to wager a guess that's where you got them from, that or another player. Regardless, be careful when running those scripts, not because any of the triggers you've posted so far are illegal (which they aren't), but because they might not be a secure as you think they are.

Oh and, while we're on the subject of rules, Next time you quake me as Aeldae, You might want to make sure I'm playing Mormeril when you do, Instead of earlier today, when you attacked us while I was on a different character. Also pay attention to your surroundings. One of the people you tried to quake wasn't even playing when we originally killed you. You won't win many friends by walking into the room and quaking them. A bit like how you didn't win any points with me originally when you walked in and charmed my mount because you were upset at Nimmeth. The gods tend to frown on attacking another puke for no reason (I.E. standing in the room, or being grouped with someone you don't like), as well as waging a killing vendetta against another puke, especially when it is across a single player's characters that have no connection to the original incident.

You originally got mad at Nimmeth because of the loot that was hoarded. It never occurred to you that if you actually wanted to do something about it, rather than being envious and mad, you could have lead your own groups, farmed your own hoard, and distributed the wealth as you saw fit, rather than following Nimmeth and AFKing all the time, while Nimmeth gave you caster EQ and helped you with staff, not to mention XP and kills. I for my part tried to help you too, and in return you fucked with my friend's mounts, and then, after you were warned multiple times, mine. I'm sorry I have to tell you this, but you are not entitled to Nimmeth's EQ, regardless of whether it was farmed or obtained via PK. I don't have a lot, but what I do have, you are not entitled to either. As I said to you before, grow up, and stop acting like a spoiled child who throws a temper tantrum when he doesn't get his way.

2018/04/23 03:55, Eiluvial: 
Any action or trigger that helps you in pk is illegal *pat Mormeril*

2018/04/23 06:41, Mormeril:   
@Eiluvial: what he posted were actions that set the value of a variable to a door name when the player looked at the door, or witnessed another mob or player opening or closing a door. This in of its self is not illegal. What would be illegal is if the player had a trigger to auto-open doors based on that variable, and then used it while in PK. It would also be illegal to make an alias or bind a hotkey to accomplish the same task while in PK. It is not against the rules to use such things out of PK though. What Aeldae has posted however, is some examples of how you set a variable to a door name. Again, what he posted isn't illegal, even in PK. It would only be illegal in PK if used as part of a larger system that included auto-opening doors or binding/aliasing the open command based on another player opening/closing. It wouldn't even be illegal if you manually set a variable to a door name with an alias, and then had a binding/alias to open that.
Dain clarified all this back in 2006. See here. [submitted link]

*ruffles Eiluvial's hair playfully.*

2018/04/23 06:52, Mormeril:   
Seems ER or I put a '.' after the url, making it invalid. lets try this again.

[submitted link]

2018/04/23 10:40, Eiluvial: 
I did not know about that change but still, what is in his comment is autotriggering door settings. Not manually typing the door.

2018/04/23 11:06, Eiluvial: 
And yes it is illegal with autotriggering door settings:) You will have to make an alias to set the door to that specific door getting opened or closed.

2018/04/23 11:12, Fieldy:   
Yup, you have to manually set the door to work with an alias.

2018/04/24 02:58, Mormeril:   
@Eiluvial: Sorry in advance about the following block of text. I'm aware that I have a tendency to be overly verbose at times, but please bear with me.
I think we're actually in agreement here, with the caveat that I'm asserting, which is setting a value to a variable is not in of itself against mume rules. it's rather what you do with that variable that is either illegal or not during PK. You could be setting a variable to print a text substitution to your screen (example: a spell translator that looks up the spell gibberish in an array and substitutes the spell name printed on screen), which is ok, or using it to auto open a door which is not ok in PK. Powwow actually has a built-in variable ($last_line) which always contains the last line of text received from Mume. the contents of that variable is therefore being updated, regardless of what you do with it. Pretty much every mud client, including MushClient which is what I use has a similar feature. Mine even has a full fledged off screen buffer of the last 5,000 lines, which is what I use to implement my review system for reviewing the output of the game with my screen reader. To say that automatically setting a variable to a value is against the game rules would therefore be to make the use of all mud clients illegal during PK. Dain among others has contributed code to Powwow, I'm sure he'd say much the same, along with Waba, Rogon, or anyone else you ask.
Again, triggers during PK aren't in of themselves a problem. A text substitution is a kind of trigger after all, or in my case, sound files that play when someone quakes me, fballs me, etc (my equivalent to highlights that sighted players use). it's Triggers that make your character perform an action, or automatically set aliases/key bindings for you during PK that are, because they give you an unfair advantage to people like my sighted friend who just got done playing from his phone without even a mapper. :)
So as I said, nothing Aeldae has posted so far is against game rules, because they don't make the player's client send commands to the server during PK, or create aliases to open/close doors without first manually typing in a door name, which would also be illegal in PK. What he posted could be used as part of a larger setup yes, but he hasn't posted any such setup, or demonstrated it being used during PK (I.E. a log), which is the only time such things are against rules in the first place.
Regardless of all this, as I said, I highly doubt the posted code originated from Elestir. Too many uses of the greedy capture (&1), making them potentially insecure, improperly labeled triggers, easily found exact matches for some of those lines on Google (Elestir doesn't put his scripts on GitHub), etc. I don't want to bash the code because I don't know who *actually* wrote it, and I'd feel bad doing so, just saying it has problems and I'd recommend that who ever wrote it address the security problems with it, or risk their client and character being compromised.

2018/04/24 06:06, Eiluvial: 
I am not accusing Elestir of cheating. I am just saying that automatically setting a variable in pk is illegal and that is what I read from Dains post but maybe I didnt read it properly I dont know. It is still sickly overpowered to have those triggers in pk.

2018/04/24 06:11, Dan:  edited 1x   
Heh. I don't visit this place much anymore but this log brought joy. I killed Aeldae around GH for the exact same thing. He kept charming/killing my horses.

I did give back his equipment though which I should not have...

The justice post me and Nimmeth got basically said 'It's understandable and well within rules but don't make it a habit.'

2018/04/24 22:18, Bardock:   
I have been samesided for alot less. I also samesided p.bogger one time for coming into Ohurk and stealing my metal from chief cause 'he needed it more then me' I am all for vigilante justice if there is a good reason.

2018/04/25 23:51, Aeldae: 
Gosh! This is so much fun!

2018/04/26 18:33, Ninjzor: 
Fun log! :) Notables for sure.

I once got permission from some V+ to action-track rabbits which were later used in a massive trap. That seems to be in line with what Mormeril and Eiluvial are saying in regards to pk-situations (as long as you don't set up some self-conscious expbot as some czech once did! :D).

We can all probably agree that justice in MUME isn't always stringent, which is probably a good thing since this death seems very much justified!

2018/04/27 10:44, Täpp:   
and he's still going on about rabbits.. like past 15 years never happened

2018/04/27 22:31, Ninjzor: 
Lol, I guess? I don't know who you are or what your problem is, but maybe you should get out more. Get some fresh air or have a beer. Or just find someone to pull that stick out of your ass? :)

2018/04/28 16:55, Täpp:   
sry u can't take a joke

2018/04/29 23:14, Aeldae: 
I know you Ninjozor :) You are an awesome fella and sometimes a fart smeller.

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