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2018/02/17 09:55, Fieldy: 
'Just a flesh wound'

2018/02/19 07:14, Fieldy: 
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Mithfalen, you learned to send e-mails?

2018/02/22 02:55, Roadkill: 
I like that journo. His unplugged sessions display knowledge as well as some common sense, which are qualities one does not often associate with US media.

2018/02/22 03:17, Roadkill: 

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2018/02/22 22:22, Razoor: 
Quite possibly the dumbest policy suggestion I have ever heard of. Literally floored, dont know if to laugh or cry. I am so, so sorry for all Americans. Your leaders just dont want to deal with gun violence...that’s so rough for the average person.

2018/02/23 07:12, Savu:   
Indeed. Solution to gun violence - more guns :D

Saw a good counter-suggestion: 'Why not have all the pupils with guns too , then when it kicks off there would be total carnage'

2018/02/23 09:45, Roadkill: 
There were 3 armed guards at the school. They didn't make a difference.

What's going to be the next suggestion after arming both the teachers and the pupils? Installing South African anti-car theft systems in the halls and corridors?

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2018/02/23 10:30, Fieldy: 
Estonian style dodgeball comes to mind.

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2018/02/23 22:47, Eldaril:edited 1x   
'Quite possibly the dumbest policy suggestion I have ever heard of. Literally floored, dont know if to laugh or cry. I am so, so sorry for all Americans. Your leaders just dont want to deal with gun violence...that’s so rough for the average person.'

Trump didn't come up with this brilliant idea, though. They were kicking it around as early as Sandy Hook (so 5+ years ago). Perhaps even earlier, though I am not aware of it.

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2018/02/24 09:41, Razoor: 
Not saying he did. But thanks for the info, didnt know that. I’m really not out to *get* Trump or anyone else, I just react to dumb stuff and in my view he does a lot of it.

2018/02/25 09:13, Roadkill: 
Just how rich are the rich?

“If poor people knew how rich rich people are, there would be riots in the streets.” - Chris Rock.

BBC looks at inequality, and has this to say about the US:

'The recently passed US Tax Cuts and Jobs Act will make this problem a whole lot worse.'

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Warren Buffet is laughing all the way to the bank. Wonder how he's going to thank Agent Orange for the 29bil gift.

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2018/02/25 14:18, Savu:   
I suppose he will be crying instead: 'Mr Buffett, who believes in higher taxes for the rich, has said he would have preferred a different tax bill.'

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2018/02/26 06:21, Roadkill:edited 1x   
I think this little news story illustrates nicely why most Icelanders feel American Abrahamic religion (in general) has several toes over the border into rabid extremism. Note especially what the bishop says.

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2018/03/05 17:15, Savu:   
I happened to see that Black Panther movie on the weekend. The double-standards on what's considered racist in USA for a black person vs white person is just ridiculous.

It would be a really fun movie if let's say Captain America went saving all his people (meaning every white person around the world) and then there was a somewhat more violent white superhero who wanted to arm them all so they could fight against some threat posed by some people of another color. But in the end even him would not be considered bad because his goals are just, even tho the methods are lacking. Great stuff.

2018/03/05 18:20, Eldaril: 
In other news, abolition was the most racist thing evah. I mean, they were quite literally only saving the black guys, eh?

2018/03/05 18:56, Savu:   
What's that got to do with this tho? It was abolition of slavery.

How about comments on the movie that are proud that the movie was made by 90% black crew? If someone tweeted to be proud that a movie was really-really white it would certainly not get a similarly positive reception.

2018/03/05 19:29, Eldaril: 
>If someone tweeted to be proud that a movie was really-really white it would certainly not get a similarly positive reception.

I wish someone would try that so that I could laugh at them. That's a bit like being proud that you can get up in the morning.

2018/03/06 06:34, Savu:   
Again totally beside the point.

2018/03/06 16:45, Roadkill: 
No, Savu. A black swan is a rarity, whereas a white swan is just business as usual.

2018/03/06 19:40, Savu:   
That's an analogy of what Eldaril said so it also missed the point by about the same margin.

2018/03/06 20:36, Roadkill:edited 1x   
No, it was a clarification on the difference between a notable rarity and a common event, since you missed it the first time.

You're making a category error.

2018/03/07 06:30, Savu:   
No, I noticed it the first time, but it was not what I was talking about. I was talking about how people want more diversity in everything white, but totally embrace uniformity in other races.

White uniformity - racism
Black uniformity - apparently diversity

2018/03/07 06:49, Fieldy: 
So, back to trade barriers? What year is this? The hell is the carrot thinking?

2018/03/07 17:05, Roadkill: 
You've almost got it, Savu. Just add 'rarity' or 'change' behind black uniformity, and 'common' and 'status quo' behind white uniformity, and even you should be able to discern that the diversity being won through a not inconsiderable struggle (thanks, in part, to people who misuse logic much like you do) is conditional, not unconditional.

2018/03/07 17:39, Savu:   
A movie with nearly full-black crew in rare in Hollywood. Not really convinced that is what we should strive for though. Their own movies for each race/gender(/what ever else is in fashion at the moment)?

In any case that was only the later problem I brought up. My original issue was that characters in the movie had questionable goals.
Two examples:
1. my people - all blacks around the world
2. needing to help just blacks, not everyone in the projects
I suppose those were chosen because they resonate better with the expected audience. Which in itself is disturbing.

2018/03/07 20:23, Roadkill: 
Well, if you think that the idea of 'my people' as one race is disturbing, then this movie is a success. Because one of the ways in which we can learn to understand someone else, who is different from us, and empathize with them, is by having a mirror held up to us which inverts everything, helping us to see things from their perspective.

Imagine being black and living in a world which de facto runs on the idea that white people are 'my people'. That all systems everywhere exist to help the white man more than any other race.

I'd say this movie has brought you understanding. You just hadn't realized it yet.

2018/03/08 06:29, Savu:  edited 1x   
So you're gonna fight racism with racism? Also I'm more convinced that the systems in place (especially in USA) are not so much skewed towards helping the white man over other races, but instead the system favors people with wealth (somewhat aligned with race indeed), so in that case they should fight for the impoverished, not the blacks. So far the movie has brought me understanding that blacks are racist.

Thought a little more about the production crew being mostly black as well. I think the important part for me is intent. If it was intentional to have just black people working on the movie, then it's racist and I'd condemn the choice, if it was just mostly black because it's a movie about Africa and the struggle is to get a movie like that done, then it's a good outcome.

2018/03/12 18:37, Eldaril: 
>wealth (somewhat aligned with race indeed)

Understatement of the year.

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2018/03/12 19:04, Bardock:  edited 4x   
Eldaril, perhaps you should also post the coinciding crime rates and the fact that young africans in America have a problem with not having a father present in the house and commit crimes at significantly higher rates then any other race only being a small minority. Instead of being a social justice warrior, try painting the whole picture and not trying to paint one race as victims that will get them nowhere.

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Blacks make up approximately 13% of the US population while they commit 52% of crime. In 2013 according to the FBI, 90% of black homicide victims were killed by other black people.

1. Data shows that 93 percent of black homicide victims are killed by other blacks.

The left's rebuttal is that that 84 percent of white homicide victims are killed by other whites, but The Wall Street Journal's Jason Riley points out that the white crime rate is 'much lower than the black rate.'

2. According to Riley, 'Blacks commit violent crimes at 7 to 10 times the rate that whites do.'

Blacks committed 52 percent of homicides between 1980 and 2008, despite composing just 13 percent of the population. Across the same timeframe, whites committed 45 percent of homicides while composing 77% of the population, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics.

Here are some more statistics from the FBI:

In 2013, the FBI has black criminals carrying out 38 per cent of murders, compared to 31.1 per cent for whites. The offender’s race was “unknown” in 29.1 per cent of cases.

What about violent crime more generally? FBI arrest rates are one way into this. Over the last three years of data – 2011 to 2013 – 38.5 per cent of people arrested for murder, manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault were black.

3. Black crime is even more prevalent in the country's largest cities and counties.

Heather Mac Donald writes in her book The War on Cops: How the New Attack on Law and Order Makes Everyone Less Safe that in Chicago, IL, blacks committed 76 percent of all homicides, despite composing 35 percent of the city's population. Blacks also accounted for 78 percent of all juvenile arrests. Whites, who compose 28 percent of the city's population, committed 4 percent of its homicides and 3.5 percent of its juvenile arrests. Hispanics, who compose 30 percent of the city's population, committed 19 percent of its homicides and 18 percent of its juvenile arrests. (Another eye-opening fact from Mac Donald's research is that only 26 percent of murder cases were solved in Chicago.)

Blacks are 10 percent of the population in Los Angeles, CA, but commit 42 percent of its robberies and 34 percent of its felonies. Whites make up 29 percent of the city's population, and commit 5 percent of its robberies and 13 percent of its felonies.

In New York City, blacks committed '75 percent of all shootings, 70 percent of all robberies, and 66 percent of all violent crime,' despite only composing 23 percent of the population, said Mac Donald in a Hillsdale speech. Additionally, 2009 Bureau of Justice Statistics numbers show that in 2009, 'blacks were charged with 62 percent of robberies, 57 percent of murders and 45 percent of assaults in the 75 biggest counties in the country, despite only comprising roughly 15 percent of the population in these counties.'

4. There were almost 6,000 blacks killed by other blacks in 2015.

By contrast, only 258 blacks were killed by police gunfire that year.

5. The percentage of blacks arrested for crimes is consistent with police reports.

This is according to the National Crime Victimization Survey, as well as this 1985 study:

“Even allowing for the existence of discrimination in the criminal justice system, the higher rates of crime among black Americans cannot be denied,” wrote James Q. Wilson and Richard Herrnstein in their classic 1985 study, “Crime and Human Nature.” “Every study of crime using official data shows blacks to be overrepresented among persons arrested, convicted, and imprisoned for street crimes.” This was true decades before the authors put it to paper, and it remains the case decades later.

“The overrepresentation of blacks among arrested persons persists throughout the criminal justice system,” wrote Wilson and Herrnstein. “Though prosecutors and judges may well make discriminatory judgments, such decisions do not account for more than a small fraction of the overrepresentation of blacks in prison.”

This data disproves the notion that racism is what drives higher rates of arrests among the blacks than among whites or broader America.

6. According to Riley, 'Black crime rates were lower in the 1940s and 1950s, when black poverty was higher' and 'racial discrimination was rampant and legal.'

If it's not racism and poverty that are blame for the high black crime rate, then what is?

7. According to Mac Donald, 'A straight line can be drawn between family breakdown and youth violence.'

As economist Thomas Sowell points out, before the 1960s 'most black children were raised in two-parent families.' In 2013, over 72 percent of blacks were born out of wedlock. In Cook County –which Chicago belongs to – 79 percent of blacks were born to single mothers in 2003, while only 15 percent of whites were born to single mothers.

'Until that gap closes, the crime gap won't close, either,' writes Mac Donald.

nice try social justice warrior, lets work with facts here instead of trying to victimize one race over the other, sick of you race baiting pimps who only seek to divide and conquer, little knights of nihilism from the king Soros.

2018/03/12 19:16, Andróg:   
Bardock, care to comment on Trump's trade tariffs? Any thoughts?

2018/03/12 19:17, Eldaril: 
You should pick a thread and stick with it.

2018/03/12 19:20, Bardock:  edited 2x   
you should stop posting race baiting material trying to victimize a race of people during a time when race tensions are higher then ever and scum bags like you are poking at it. I know your butt hurt by getting confronted with facts in your ridiculous delusional paradigm but you should try to educate yourself instead of sounding like a Jesse Jackson wannabee race pimp.

fucking pwned. Suck my facts noob.

trade tariffs are essential to fixing the vast trade deficit we face from China.

2018/03/12 19:31, Eldaril: 
Awwww, you're so cute when you're trying to troll.

2018/03/12 19:39, Bardock:  edited 1x   
Trying to troll? You are trying to promote false dichotomies and victimize a race of people and play on peoples emotions instead of looking at the underlying facts, you are the real 'troll' and a determent to peaceful and civilized society. literal scum.

2018/03/12 19:47, Eldaril: 
Here's your free English language lesson of the day: it's only a 'dichotomy' you're trying to pit two things as opposites.

2018/03/12 19:59, Bardock:   
really funny how you get destroyed with facts and can never defend yourself only go off on something irrelevant, classic gypsie tactics.

2018/03/12 20:06, Eldaril: 
Busy picking up thepieces, please forgive, masta!

2018/03/12 20:14, Savu:   
@Eldaril: It's a principal difference. If you look at numbers (on your own link you posted) only about 1/5th of people living in poverty in US are black. You don't find it racist if black people only want to help that 1/5th because those are the same race as them?

2018/03/12 20:35, Eldaril: 
@Savu: Help is a lot more necessary when over 20% of your community lives in poverty as compared when less than 10% does. The safety net is completely different in those two cases.

This being said... I thought the main argument from the Republican side of the isle was that the social safety net was best built on charity and private philanthropy. And that people knew best what to do with their own money. I guess blacks just aren't doing that whole 'I know best what to do with my money' thing right...

>A movie with nearly full-black crew in rare in Hollywood. Not really convinced that is what we should strive for though.

What we should strive for is that staffing a fully black crew is no longer rare or any particular achievement to do that.

2018/03/13 10:50, Roadkill: 
I find it adorable when people who do not understand statistics, try to use them to prove a point, and achieve the opposite.

2018/03/13 11:41, Andróg:   
Care to explain how trade tariffs are going to fix your negative trade balance with China? You can be sure that others will implement tariffs towards you too, so this will not exactly result in a situation where others will start trading less to America while you keep on exporting to other countries just as much.

2018/03/24 06:44, Roadkill: 
Well, that trade war with China now looks to be on its way. The stock market can now enjoy its reaction to the first effect that is 100% down to Trump, and Trump alone.

The words 'I told you so' spring to mind...

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