|2021/11/27 22:42, Ytinas:|| |
|Arcanum, that link came with the claim I made. It was the first hit after searching your unsupported claim. If you care to read beyond the first paragraph, you see WHY they try to identify the proteins that trigger this hybrid immunity.
Using your numbers: 1~2 << 3, as measured from infection rates in people and antibody counts. 4 is unknown because of the small sample set (and possibly because a larger fraction of post-vaccine cases is asymptomatic (!)). Now, how could 3>>1, or even 3>1, if natural immunity is almost perfect? Simple answer: it isn’t. Easiest explanation: second infections are grossly underreported. Reinfection rates are considered rare, this study measured 0.7% after 90 days ([submitted link]
and are not an easy measurand. But the disease is still young, and reinfections will come. So eventually, with some luck, covid will be like the Spanish flu: here to stay, but less lethal because most people have basic immunity, with flu/covid shots for those at risk. The moral question is how many avoidable deaths you accept to get there.
I identify you as an ass instead of a troll because I figured you’re not as ignorant as you act. Your call whether you try to prove me wrong on that.
Back to the pre-dodge position. I did look in to the fetal death data, it’s public. And you clearly, and by your own admission, did not. It takes less than 5 minutes and you’ll see that the dead babies are cases like 6 week miscarriages. Yes they’re studied, because VAERS is studied. Everyone wants to know if there could be a problem with the vaccine (but that doesn’t mean there is one). That headline is not a smoking gun, it’s a political tool for unscrupulous people.
If that uk story is the same that I found, they fudged the units. It is true that the annual flu deaths were 5x greater than weekly/monthly covid deaths. Please point out where the problem lies here?
Up to 5x under reporting in VAERS is probably a thing, but so is underreporting of covid cases, and to lesser extent covid deaths. That 41x paper is very speculative, effectively conflating correlation with causation. By same reasoning I could ‘think’ (their words) the covid death toll is 40x higher than it is now (and I don’t).
And even if 150k people died, the virus is still more lethal.
Scotland infant deaths article doesn’t link deaths to vaccine but the pandemic, such as reduced availability of healthcare, and an uptake in covid cases. Also read carefully what that herald paper actually says about vaccines and pregnant women.
Read your own research. It’s really just 1 extra click.
Axel: sorry for testing the character limit of these comment boxes ;)
Facelift: I completely agree that there is an unprecedented money grab occurring with the vaccines (and testing, and PPE, and stimulus, and…), and our governments should (and many will) answer for it, or better yet, resolve it with the respective companies. But that doesn’t change facts on efficacy of the vaccine. As I pointed out, alternatives are much more expensive, and aren’t any different wrt the money grab methods. So fine, feel righteous all you want, but wear your mask and take your vaccines or you’re no better than those soulless corporations.